Posts by Had Enough

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9/11 tapes - horror revisited

by Shakita in

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as they release the 9/11 tapes for all of us to renew the horror of that day again, i feel my anxiety level raise almost as much as it did that very day.

i watched the face of the man i worked for stare in disbelief as he came rushing into the room to watch in absolute horror as the trade centers fell one after the other killing his close friend inside.

as he collapsed on the couch, i knew i would never forget the look on his face for the rest of my life.

Had Enough

A former poster named Tom Talley posted this thread in December 2002, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/43241/1.ashx. His own posts have since been removed for whatever reason, however the impact of the comments made in that thread stay with me to this day. He included a link http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/ that I have saved, but I still have a difficult time listening to it. It is an emotional tribute to those who suffered so horribly on that day, but it reminds me first of the mindless purpose of this tradedy and second of how quickly the JWs will jump on the bandwagon as the heros in situations such as this....heros in that they (JWs) were "johnny-on-the-spot" in providing the ever-needed spiritual help in such times of need. Big Deal !!!

My comments then in that thread are still formost in my mind whenever I think of this horrible day"

"Thousands of fleeing victims crossed (the bridge) seeking safe ground and aid from the effects of the WTC attacks. What did the WTS do to offer Christ-like aid to these ones in need? Being located at the end of the (bridge) in an obvious location to offer aid, what did they do? Did they open their doors and offer comfort, safety, medical aid, a shoulder to lean on, arms to encircle them offering security, refreshment for those parched by the dust, those in shock, those paralyzed by fear?
NO! They LOCKED the doors and guarded them and ordered the workers back to work in the WTS buildings. They screened those seeking shelter by asking them questions only an active JW would know. These details have been corroborated by others who were there.

Click onto this website - http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/ - and watch the chilling pictures .... listen to the screams of people. Then tell me again (you JW's), with your tears of pride, what a wonderful job this "loving" organization did to follow the example of Jesus, in helping those in need."

The visual images and sounds in the link to that tape, highlight and emphasize the reality of this horrific tragedy.

Yet there are so many other horrible events in the world that have taken place in the past centuries some of which have been listed already in this current thread. How do we equate one as worse than another?

Over the past centuries, human life held no value as total villages were attacked by neighbouring tribes or countries and were destroyed, pillaged, women raped and/or murdered along with children, young men, old people, etc. including all the many other events stated in this thread which are a travesty to human justice and compassion.

Is it worse now? or do JWs ignore the past centuries and only focus on recent tragedies to finger-point to the "signs of the end" as near?

"Re-visiting this horror" only opens up the these questions once again to me as well as forcing me to face the realty of man's capacity to inflict harm and brutality upon each other.

Had Enough

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Try this...it pegged me perfectly

by wanderlustguy in

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mood analysis test results

you have always been on the move seeking affectionate, satisfying and harmonious relationships.

your ultimate goal has been the realization of an intimate union in which there could be love, self-sacrifice and mutual trust.

Had Enough

MOOD ANALYSIS TEST RESULTS

Your colors:

You are the sort of person that needs a peaceful environment. You seek release from stress and freedom from conflicts and disagreements, of which you seem to have had more than your fair share. But you are taking pains to control the situation by proceeding cautiously and you are right in doing so as you are a very sensitive person.

You are looking for excitement and stimulation and you are ready to try anything - but be careful not to take too many risks.

There are times of everyone's life when 'compromise' is the name of the game and this is the time, so you have no alternative but to forgo some pleasures for the time being. You are capable of achieving satisfaction through physical activity.

You are feeling full of uncertainty and worrying over what you consider as missed opportunities. This is causing considerable stress and tension. You feel that there must be more to life than the constant pressures and anxieties - that surely life must hold far more opportunities than that which it has to date presented to you. You sincerely believe that there must be a simpler way to tap life's hidden recourses and should you be able to find that way - you could achieve your hearts desire. It's the not knowing 'how' that is affording you the constant worry. You are constantly probing and seeking - trying to ensure that at all times you are on your guard against missing any opportunity. 'Enough is enough'. You are anxious to avoid further setbacks. You are strenuously trying to make sure that you will not be overlooked and you badly need security.

You have so many ideas that you would like to revitalize but you need to realize a stable and peaceful condition to do so. Once you can free yourself from all the aggravation and tension around you, you will make strides that may amaze you. You will not be prevented from achieving all the things you so desire.

OK....this is weird...Does anyone know how this works so accurately for everyone trying it??? I see a lot of the same phrasing in some results but the whole result seems to peg each one so accurately and differently.

I was going to highlight the most accurate statements... but realized I would have to highlight the whole thing.....WEIRD!!

Had Enough

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Anti-Witnessesing: Passive Agressive Style Effective for Quotes

by Quotes in

well, they came magazine selling door-knocking ingathering and judgeing witnessing today.

but first, a quick background.... my wife and i have a investment property 90 minutes away from our home (a mistake btw; always invest closer to your home!

) and we've been there (here) full time for the past several days doing some renovations.

Had Enough

Good Morning Quotes:

Love your style....passive-aggressive anti-witnessing. You certainly got a lot further than if you had used the " I used to be a JW and have learned a lot about the many errors and mistakes in the organization. Let me tell you about the UN/NGO fiasco and the pedophiles and the blood issue and the....oh ...you have to leave? Hope you come back again" approach.

Your questions were spot-on, posed at the ideal place and in a believable manner. I hope she lets those little seeds germinate. When I encountered questions like that, they just festered in me for a long time, but I chose not to dwell on them and hoped I wouldn't have to face those questions again from people. I hated not being able to answer them when I "knew we were the only true religion".

Dana knew she was talking to an apostate. JWs get enough training to understand where the person at the door is coming from. By your comments at the door, she must've understood you had some prior JW knowledge and now have turned against it.

Sorry DY...I don't buy that. There are intelligent thinkers "out there in the world" who, if they had the time and interest in debating, would ask the questions Quotes asked. He asked them in a non-confrontational way and I think it came across as someone who actually used his brain in analyzing the JW's statements. I've talked to people like that at the door and had casual conversations with non-JW work-friends before and had similar questions posed to me. I couldn't answer them any better than that JW could because there are no reasonable JW answers.

If she's a good, well-trained JW, you should not be seeing her ever again. Unless of course she's back with a much more knowledgeable JW (elder or CO type).

I think that if you don't see her again, it will only be because she knows she can't answer a thinking-person's type of questions....and yes she may try the returning with a more ~~knowledgeable,~~ ~~qualified,~~ ~~elder~~ penis person routine, (I love that label) as that is how she is trained to think. Whatever the case, I hope you get another stab at it...even if you have to take up temporary residence at your investment property just to make sure you don't miss them.

Keep up the warfare Quotes.

Had Enough (of the firm believer in the passive agressive style class)

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Toronto ApostateFest Scheduled For July 30th

by lawrence in

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friends

i'll be hosting an apostatefest at my home in north york, ontario (15 miles from downtown toronto).

pm me and let me know if you are interested in coming.

i have a large yard, a screened porch, and a large house (if it rains).

Had Enough

Hi Lawrence and everyone!

I've been trying to figure out a way to get there but as usual...work has to come first. Holidays and weekends are our busiest times. I'm bummed out about this because I haven't been back to TO for any visits or Apostofests for such a long time and this sounds like a fun time will be had by all.....except me!

Have fun everyone and I hope sometime to see some of you that I've already met and those I have yet to meet.

Cheers,

Had Enough

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Trial begins June 27 Victoria Boer abuse case

by needs_lots in

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to all my friends or anyone who would like to support me, god knows i can use as many as possible, my dads criminal gardiner trial begins june 27 and 28 in orangeville ontario at the court house.. send lots of good energy my way............this will be the end of a very long journey.. vic

Had Enough

Hi Vickie:

Glad to hear you are following through with this. Your first trial was such an eye-opener seeing the elders squirm and lie through their teeth....especially Johnston or Jones...can't remember his name right now.

I will keep an eye on this thread to see the details of time and place the trial will be held. I hope to make it to this one too.

I think the elders will be brought into to testify; should be interesting to see if the protect him again, though I doubt they will becuase he is no longer a jw.

Interesting statement....just curious....can you tell us what happened that your father is no longer a JW. Was it his choice or did the elders actually disfellowship him?

Cheers,

Had Enough

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Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

by AlanF in

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i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

Had Enough

Hi Alan:

I was shocked, bothered and angry when I heard this news.

I was raised from birth to unquestionly believe, that the governing body of the WTS was directed by God and given the command to care for His flock, to teach us what He directed them to. I believed whole-heartedly what they continually preached about the UN and how giving any support to any organization like this that God hated and would destroy, would be "thumbing our nose" at God's commands....nothing less than blasphemy.

I had already been shocked many times before this, by learning of so many other erroneous teachings, deliberate misleading misquotations in their publications, revealing information in the CoC book, so many horror stories of child abuse coverups, of Bethel scandals, and so many heartbreaking stories of families torn apart. By the time I heard of the WTS becoming an associated NGO, I was already convinced we had all been duped and was angry at having wasted so many years of my life.

Even so, this was still a shock to hear because being an associated NGO was such hypocrisy, and the lame excuse the head honchos gave was insulting to our intelligance.

To think of those still left in the organization, my family included, who still so gullibly believe this is the one true religion and all others will be destroyed by God, is just heartbreaking and frustrating.

Sorry for being so long-winded in my explanation.

Had Enough

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Things are more serious for Ozzie..................

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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.....................i received an sms from mrs ozzie last night informing me that ozzie is having an extremely risky operation on wednesday morning, 8am australian time.

i can't give more details at this stage as to the procedure due to confidentiality but i can assure you it is going to be dangerous!

mrs ozzie said that it had to be done despite the risk.. so if all of us here could take a moment tomorrow and send positive thoughts.

Had Enough

(((((((((Ozzie and Mrs. Ozzie))))))))

I'm sending you my love and strongest positive thoughts, vibes, best wishes and anything else that may help you to a speedy recovery.

I miss all the caring encouragement and kind remarks you give me and I look forward to hearing from you again.

Cheers,

Had Enough

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Once more, I ask for your help

by outnfree in

as many of you know, i believe in remote healing and the power of prayer.

so i am asking those of you who also believe in these things to pray for me this time.

(lena is doing excellently well, thank you!

Had Enough

{{{{{{{BRENDA}}}}}}}}}

OK girl...It's unanimous! You've had enough to deal with this past year. Sending lots of positive thoughts with LOVE and HUGS across the border.

Love ya,

Had Enough

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Mrs Ozzie asked me to inform you all that........................

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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friends

....................our great mate ozzie is sick in hospital.

he isn't able to post so i am the go-between for the moment.. if you want more details or contact information pm me and i will make sure it's ok with the ozzies to forward those details to you.. ozzie is a tough dude and having known him for many years i am confident he will be back on board before too long!.

please be patient with me as i work and can only check my pms in the evenings.

Had Enough

Thanks Bliss for letting us all know about Ozzie's ordeal.

Add my best wishes and positive thoughts to Ozzie and Mrs. Ozzie for his speedy recovery and for Mrs. Ozzie to keep strong.

Cheers,

Had Enough

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The Cult of Four "Just Imperfect" Men

by Farkel in

the cult of four "just imperfect" men.

(please move on to the next thread, fluffers.

move on!

Had Enough

If a book or article was impossible to follow and understand, Franz wrote it. If it denigrated and ridiculed women and their place in dub society, Franz wrote it. If it used the expressions "modern day type", Bible Rule?", "lunar calendar", "CLASS", "confidently expect" or involved any chronology, Franz wrote it. If it took a serious dose of drugs to understand any of it, Franz wrote it.

You got that right Farkel....and add his talks to that description too. I'm so glad to hear someone else say this, as for years I thought there was something wrong with me for not being able to follow his talks or stay interested enough to pay attention even though I was in awe of his very presence at the assemblies. Now I ask myself WHY??? He was a mere mortal man but as you said:

He was arrogant while appearing modest.....He wielded immense power without having a powerful position or formal title.

A well-done expose' of all the "leaders" many of us considered to be "directed by God to guide and direct us". Enlightening for sure!!

Had Enough